We noted that it's a pretty good correlation to Dr Smeed.I didn't ask him what his pseudonym should be so he doesn't get one wrote:Economic Left/Right: -4.12 (left)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21 (Libertarian)"
#53928 The correlation of MBTI scores and position on the PC
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My buddy, er, "I didn't ask him what his pseudonym should be so he doesn't get one" that's an ENTP was so kind to take the political compass test for me (That's two! I must have some awesome wiles) and his results are:
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I took the new data and replotted the graph. I believe you can toggle from the old graph to the new. The new data has the names in a different color from the old data. This site should work to see the new graph.
http://picasaweb.google.com/VorpalBlade ... 0410392450
Thanks everyone for the new data.
http://picasaweb.google.com/VorpalBlade ... 0410392450
Thanks everyone for the new data.
Any plans to correlate with the Geek Test scores, Vorpal?
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Maybe so. I did run a computer program that took like 26 hours yesterday, though, and I'm about to upgrade my Mac to Snow Leopard, so that's got to count for something. Maybe I should ask the board to explain what exactly the difference is between a nerd and a geek.Damasta wrote:Maybe 'Poser Nerd Girl'?
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http://digg.com/comedy/Nerd_Venn_DiagramNerdGirl wrote:Maybe so. I did run a computer program that took like 26 hours yesterday, though, and I'm about to upgrade my Mac to Snow Leopard, so that's got to count for something. Maybe I should ask the board to explain what exactly the difference is between a nerd and a geek.Damasta wrote:Maybe 'Poser Nerd Girl'?
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Okay, here you go Damasta,
Name**********I/E********** S/N**********T/F**********J/P**********L/R**********A/L**********AQ**********Geek
Damasta*********************************************************************************************49.90138
Sauron**********I************N***********T************J**********-5.0**********0.2**********27*********44.97041
Humble Master*****************************************************************************************41.22288
Waldorf*********E************N***********F************J**********-1.0**********-1.0*********12**********36.68
Cuddlefish*******I************S***********T************J**********-3.75*********-1.95********************30.96647
CPM************I************N***********T************J**********-0.13*********-1.18********************27.61341
Vorpal Blade*****I************N***********T************J***********2.0***********0.26********************25.44379
Whistler*********I************N***********T************J**********-3.25*********-3.95********17**********22.88
Hermia**********I************S***********T************J**********-3.50*********-1.28********************22.28797
Kirĸe************I************N***********T***********J***********6.88*********-0.51*********22*********22.28797
Laser Jock********I***********N***********T************J**********-1.62*********-0.77********************20.5
Commander Keen**E***********S***********T************P***********6.00*********0.21********************19.9211
Miss Scarlett******I***********S************F***********J************************************************14.9
Nerd Girl*********I***********N************F***********P***********-5***********-5**********************12
Rating Pending*****************************************************************************************10.65089
Marzipan***********************************************************************************************9.46
Anomalous*******E***********N************F***********P**********-2.75*********-2.67*********************6.3116
That's the data I have on the Geek numbers. I plotted the Left-Right poltical factor against the Geek number and I got a small negative correlation, -0.111. That is, someone with a high Geek score is slightly more likely to being on the Left (economic factor).
There is a better correlation, 0.512, when you plot Authoritarian versus Geek factor. The more Authoritarian you are, the more likely you are a Geek. The more Libertarian you are, the smaller your Geek score. Two people were much more Libertarian than their Geek scores would indicate. They were NerdGirl and Whistler.
I didn't plot the MBTI scores, but came to some conclusions by inspection. The introverts were a little more likely to be Geeks than the extroverts.
The intuitive types were at both extremes of the Geek scores, with the S types generally a little lower in Geek scores than the average intuitive type.
Three out of four feeler types had the three least Geek scores, so that looks like a pretty good correlation. Waldorf is an exception.
The judging or J types were almost all more geeky that the P types.
There didn't seem to be any correlation of AQ scores to Geek scores.
So, there you have it, minus graphs.
Name**********I/E********** S/N**********T/F**********J/P**********L/R**********A/L**********AQ**********Geek
Damasta*********************************************************************************************49.90138
Sauron**********I************N***********T************J**********-5.0**********0.2**********27*********44.97041
Humble Master*****************************************************************************************41.22288
Waldorf*********E************N***********F************J**********-1.0**********-1.0*********12**********36.68
Cuddlefish*******I************S***********T************J**********-3.75*********-1.95********************30.96647
CPM************I************N***********T************J**********-0.13*********-1.18********************27.61341
Vorpal Blade*****I************N***********T************J***********2.0***********0.26********************25.44379
Whistler*********I************N***********T************J**********-3.25*********-3.95********17**********22.88
Hermia**********I************S***********T************J**********-3.50*********-1.28********************22.28797
Kirĸe************I************N***********T***********J***********6.88*********-0.51*********22*********22.28797
Laser Jock********I***********N***********T************J**********-1.62*********-0.77********************20.5
Commander Keen**E***********S***********T************P***********6.00*********0.21********************19.9211
Miss Scarlett******I***********S************F***********J************************************************14.9
Nerd Girl*********I***********N************F***********P***********-5***********-5**********************12
Rating Pending*****************************************************************************************10.65089
Marzipan***********************************************************************************************9.46
Anomalous*******E***********N************F***********P**********-2.75*********-2.67*********************6.3116
That's the data I have on the Geek numbers. I plotted the Left-Right poltical factor against the Geek number and I got a small negative correlation, -0.111. That is, someone with a high Geek score is slightly more likely to being on the Left (economic factor).
There is a better correlation, 0.512, when you plot Authoritarian versus Geek factor. The more Authoritarian you are, the more likely you are a Geek. The more Libertarian you are, the smaller your Geek score. Two people were much more Libertarian than their Geek scores would indicate. They were NerdGirl and Whistler.
I didn't plot the MBTI scores, but came to some conclusions by inspection. The introverts were a little more likely to be Geeks than the extroverts.
The intuitive types were at both extremes of the Geek scores, with the S types generally a little lower in Geek scores than the average intuitive type.
Three out of four feeler types had the three least Geek scores, so that looks like a pretty good correlation. Waldorf is an exception.
The judging or J types were almost all more geeky that the P types.
There didn't seem to be any correlation of AQ scores to Geek scores.
So, there you have it, minus graphs.
So, figured I'd throw my results in here, since they seem to be vastly different from the rest of you....
Took the link Myers-Briggs test, which gave me INFP, all three were strong besides the F, which makes sense, since it has given me INTP before.
As for the political compass.... It gave me -6.88 economically and -5,18 socially.
Wow. I'm pretty far off from you folks....
Took the link Myers-Briggs test, which gave me INFP, all three were strong besides the F, which makes sense, since it has given me INTP before.
As for the political compass.... It gave me -6.88 economically and -5,18 socially.
Wow. I'm pretty far off from you folks....
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Marduk,
You are pretty far left and toward the libertarian pole, but there are others in this group who are not too far from you. A friend of Giovanni Schwartz was -6.62 economically, and -5.23 socially. He or she is an ENFP. Nerdgirl is -5 and -5, and she is an INFP just like you. The Black Sheep scored -5.5 and -6.88 at different times on the economic left right scale, with -4.16 and -4.0 on the social scale. So, you have company.
The authors of the political compass call those on the bottom left hand corner, like you, "the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism (libertarian socialism)." That's a mouthful.
You are pretty far left and toward the libertarian pole, but there are others in this group who are not too far from you. A friend of Giovanni Schwartz was -6.62 economically, and -5.23 socially. He or she is an ENFP. Nerdgirl is -5 and -5, and she is an INFP just like you. The Black Sheep scored -5.5 and -6.88 at different times on the economic left right scale, with -4.16 and -4.0 on the social scale. So, you have company.
The authors of the political compass call those on the bottom left hand corner, like you, "the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism (libertarian socialism)." That's a mouthful.
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Hey, I've caught myself reading "anomalous" when people type "anonymous." You're not alone (:vorpal blade wrote:That's funny. I've always looked at your name and said to myself "anonymous." I feel dumb now.Anomalous wrote:Hey, I'm anomalous! Good to know I'm living up to my name...
Welcome to the message board.
And thanks!
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Re: #53928 The correlation of MBTI scores and position on th
So, Marduk, this is the political compass test, the link is given in this thread. When I took the test I scored a +2 on the right-left axis, which is further right than most of the people in this forum (as you can see from the chart I gave), but +2 is not too far from the center. I'm about in the middle as far as authoritarian and libertarian goes. Perhaps you should take the test.
It might be interesting to discuss our answers to the questions, and what we mean by them. Ah, so little to do and so much time. Wait, reverse that.
It might be interesting to discuss our answers to the questions, and what we mean by them. Ah, so little to do and so much time. Wait, reverse that.
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Re: #53928 The correlation of MBTI scores and position on th
Yeah, it really would be. It's been a while since I took the test, but I remember there being some pretty weird questions on there and I wasn't quite sure what those questions were trying to get at.vorpal blade wrote: It might be interesting to discuss our answers to the questions, and what we mean by them. Ah, so little to do and so much time. Wait, reverse that.
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I did take the test, Vorpal, and you even responded to my scores. Look up a few responses. You're right, +2 isn't necessarily particularly conservative, but some of your responses on this board make me think that isn't accurate. It would seem that you may not have been entirely accurate in taking the test, or perhaps you've been hyperbolic in some of your arguments here (I'm guessing it is the latter). At any rate, thanks for humoring me (again).
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Re: #53928 The correlation of MBTI scores and position on th
I just took all the tests linked to from this thread.
I am ESFJ
Economic 2.75
Social -1.74
Geek 31.73432%
I am ESFJ
Economic 2.75
Social -1.74
Geek 31.73432%
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You've exposed my failing memory, Marduk. Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall that you reported your test results. I guess I'd have to go through the questions one by one to show you why I responded the way I did on the political compass test. I think it would show I've been consistent in what I've said here and what I choose on the test. Is it possible you interpreted my answers in a more extreme manner than I intended?
If I could remember how to edit the chart, Unit of Energy, I'd add your test scores and that of Marduk to the chart. I'll give it a try sometime later...if I remember to do it.
If I could remember how to edit the chart, Unit of Energy, I'd add your test scores and that of Marduk to the chart. I'll give it a try sometime later...if I remember to do it.
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Re: #53928 The correlation of MBTI scores and position on th
My score changes a little as I take and retake the test. Here are my latest answers to the questions. This time the score was economic left/right 1.25. Social libertarian/Authoritarian 0.26. Any surprises here? Any questions?
Page 1 of 6
If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations. Strongly Agree
I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong. Strongly Disagree
No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it. Strongly Disagree
Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races. Disagree
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Strongly Disagree
Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified. Agree
There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment. Disagree
Page 2 of 6
People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality. Disagree
Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment. Disagree
Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation. Agree
"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea. Disagree
It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.
Disagree
Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold. Strongly Disagree
It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society. Disagree
Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade. Agree
The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders. Strongly Disagree
The rich are too highly taxed. Agree
Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care . Agree
Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public. Strongly Agree
A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies. Disagree
The freer the market, the freer the people. Agree
Page 3 of 6
Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal. Agree
All authority should be questioned. Agree
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Strongly Disagree
Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis.
Strongly Agree
Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory. Agree
All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind.
Disagree
Good parents sometimes have to spank their children. Agree
It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents. Agree
Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence. Disagree
The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs. Disagree
People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce. Disagree
The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline. Disagree
There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures. Strongly Disagree
Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support. Strongly Agree
When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things. Disagree
First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country. Disagree
What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us. Disagree
No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding. Agree
Page 4 of 6
Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism. Disagree
A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. Strongly Disagree
Although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried. Disagree
The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes. Strongly Agree
In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded.
Agree
Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all. Disagree
In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation. Agree
It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals. Agree
The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist. Disagree
Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers. Agree
Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries. Strongly Disagree
Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity. Agree
Page 5 of 6
Astrology accurately explains many things. Disagree
You cannot be moral without being religious. Disagree
Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged. Agree
Some people are naturally unlucky. Agree
It is important that my child's school instills religious values. Disagree
Page 6 of 6
Sex outside marriage is usually immoral. Strongly Agree
A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption.
Disagree
Pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population. Disagree
What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state. Disagree
No one can feel naturally homosexual. Disagree
These days openness about sex has gone too far. Agree
Page 1 of 6
If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations. Strongly Agree
I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong. Strongly Disagree
No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it. Strongly Disagree
Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races. Disagree
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Strongly Disagree
Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified. Agree
There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment. Disagree
Page 2 of 6
People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality. Disagree
Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment. Disagree
Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation. Agree
"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea. Disagree
It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.
Disagree
Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold. Strongly Disagree
It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society. Disagree
Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade. Agree
The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders. Strongly Disagree
The rich are too highly taxed. Agree
Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care . Agree
Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public. Strongly Agree
A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies. Disagree
The freer the market, the freer the people. Agree
Page 3 of 6
Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal. Agree
All authority should be questioned. Agree
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Strongly Disagree
Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis.
Strongly Agree
Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory. Agree
All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind.
Disagree
Good parents sometimes have to spank their children. Agree
It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents. Agree
Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence. Disagree
The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs. Disagree
People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce. Disagree
The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline. Disagree
There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures. Strongly Disagree
Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support. Strongly Agree
When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things. Disagree
First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country. Disagree
What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us. Disagree
No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding. Agree
Page 4 of 6
Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism. Disagree
A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. Strongly Disagree
Although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried. Disagree
The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes. Strongly Agree
In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded.
Agree
Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all. Disagree
In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation. Agree
It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals. Agree
The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist. Disagree
Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers. Agree
Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries. Strongly Disagree
Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity. Agree
Page 5 of 6
Astrology accurately explains many things. Disagree
You cannot be moral without being religious. Disagree
Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged. Agree
Some people are naturally unlucky. Agree
It is important that my child's school instills religious values. Disagree
Page 6 of 6
Sex outside marriage is usually immoral. Strongly Agree
A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption.
Disagree
Pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population. Disagree
What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state. Disagree
No one can feel naturally homosexual. Disagree
These days openness about sex has gone too far. Agree