#47579 Sarah Palin

jooniper · Post by **jooniper** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:13 pm

Giovanni Schwartz wrote:Palin is having an effect on us. Have you noticed how often she pops up in daily conversation? Joe Biden is just an idiot. But I won't even be old enough to vote by voting day, so it's not that big of a deal. However, my mom has a good point. If the U.S. is attacked by terrorists, who do you want going after them? McCain, or Obama?

How about this instead: who is less likely to get us attacked by terrorists in the first place: McCain, or Obama?

Giovanni Schwartz · Post by **Giovanni Schwartz** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:23 pm

Obama.... But I won't debate politics with you. I'm not going to be old enough to vote, and I'm not likely to change anyone here's belief, no matter how strong my convictions or my reasons.

sqrt(-1) · Post by **sqrt(-1)** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:52 pm

Palin is my Pal in here! (Points to werf's supercute beanie (?)) Haha! Didn't you like my pun?

Quiet Lamb · Post by **Quiet Lamb** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:00 am

jooniper wrote:
Giovanni Schwartz wrote:Palin is having an effect on us. Have you noticed how often she pops up in daily conversation? Joe Biden is just an idiot. But I won't even be old enough to vote by voting day, so it's not that big of a deal. However, my mom has a good point. If the U.S. is attacked by terrorists, who do you want going after them? McCain, or Obama?
How about this instead: who is less likely to get us attacked by terrorists in the first place: McCain, or Obama?

Yeah. McCain might be more likely to get us attacked, but only slightly. There are many terrorists every day what would love to do whatever they can to (in their mind) stupid, selfish, self-absorbed Americans. With that being the case, to be safe and for everyone to stay in their security blanket of "America is awesome, the rest of the world stinks and they should be more like us, but don't come to our country because you'll just be mooching from us," I would say McCain is your best choice. (Yes, some of you will argue you are alright with them coming to America as long as they get a green card and don't come illegally ought to talk to those trying to get one-- it is quite the challenge tied up in red tape for an educated person, nevertheless an uneducated one. Something needs to be fixed.)

Nonetheless, I'm Pro-McCain because of moral concerns. I think that the American mindset does need to be tweaked. You can be appreciative of your country and still think of a person in Sudan or China as being on the same level of importance as yourself.

361 · Post by **361** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:04 am

jooniper wrote:
Giovanni Schwartz wrote:Palin is having an effect on us. Have you noticed how often she pops up in daily conversation? Joe Biden is just an idiot. But I won't even be old enough to vote by voting day, so it's not that big of a deal. However, my mom has a good point. If the U.S. is attacked by terrorists, who do you want going after them? McCain, or Obama?
How about this instead: who is less likely to get us attacked by terrorists in the first place: McCain, or Obama?

I am told from a couple friends who are in the military and who also both served in the middle east (one in Iraq, one in Afghanistan)...

The only reason we do not see more terrorist attacks inside the USA is because all the terrorists are busy fighting us in the middle east.

They also say that if we were to pull out, then the terrorists would start making a lot more homeland attacks fairly quickly.

Just their opinion...

Imogen · Post by **Imogen** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:11 am

361 wrote:
jooniper wrote:
Giovanni Schwartz wrote:Palin is having an effect on us. Have you noticed how often she pops up in daily conversation? Joe Biden is just an idiot. But I won't even be old enough to vote by voting day, so it's not that big of a deal. However, my mom has a good point. If the U.S. is attacked by terrorists, who do you want going after them? McCain, or Obama?
How about this instead: who is less likely to get us attacked by terrorists in the first place: McCain, or Obama?
I am told from a couple friends who are in the military and who also both served in the middle east (one in Iraq, one in Afghanistan)...

The only reason we do not see more terrorist attacks inside the USA is because all the terrorists are busy fighting us in the middle east.

They also say that if we were to pull out, then the terrorists would start making a lot more homeland attacks fairly quickly.

Just their opinion...

see my friend who fought in afghanistan thinks the opposite. everyone has an opinion.

bismark · Post by **bismark** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:43 pm

DailyKos:

A furious, old, self-important reformist poseur stuck in the previous century versus a young, ambitious, fundamentalist airhead "rogue" "diva" ... who would have guessed a year-and-a-half ago that the wrestling match for the soul of a dying and discredited political party would come down to this?

makes my hands shake just thinking about it.

Werf_Must · Post by **Werf_Must** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:32 am

Quiet Lamb wrote: I think that the American mindset does need to be tweaked. You can be appreciative of your country and still think of a person in Sudan or China as being on the same level of importance as yourself.

With that I agree!

Portia · Post by **Portia** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:43 pm

Quiet Lamb wrote:Nonetheless, I'm Pro-McCain because of moral concerns. I think that the American mindset does need to be tweaked. You can be appreciative of your country and still think of a person in Sudan or China as being on the same level of importance as yourself.

In all seriousness, how do you see the Obama camp as not valuing citizens of other nations as much?

And I think the fact that one of our most outspokenly conservative Board writers voted for Obama (I will not out werf preemptively) shows just how much the Republican party has betrayed all fundamentals of conservatism. I honestly do not understand how people can call Obama "socialist" and not blink an eye at us nationalizing our banking system at a cost of ONE TRILLION dollars!

. . . now that is hand-shake worthy. ;)

Nanti-SARRMM · Post by **Nanti-SARRMM** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:47 pm

Portia wrote:I honestly do not understand how people can call Obama "socialist" and not blink an eye at us nationalizing our banking system at a cost of ONE TRILLION dollars!

It's easy, just base last minute poorly planned political advertising based on one small statement of your opponent even though his economic plan says nothing of the sort and refuse to say your wrong.

Apparently McCain is so old that he hopes by repeating himself, his long forgotten jedi powers will activate and we will all believe him.

361 · Post by **361** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:51 pm

Having a democrat congress, a democrat supreme court, and a democrat president...

VERY dangerous...

They are going to be able to push through whatever the heck they want. The good, the bad, and the ugly...

And trust me... BOTH parties have ALOT of ugly.

At least when things are heterogeneous they keep each other in check.

habiba · Post by **habiba** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:49 am

Politics goes through swings of the pendulum. After 8 years of neocon political dominance, the pendulum will swing the other way. Nearly all political bodies swing between security and liberty. Since 9/11 we've been so far swung towards security that we're bound to swing towards liberty. And eventually we'll swing back.

The neocons have been pushing whatever the heck they wanted through for the last 8 years and have attached the stigma of 'un-American' to anyone who didn't agree. That is just as, if not more, dangerous. At least the Dems aren't itching to "reform" the Middle East by invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 on entirely false pretenses. If the Dems do dominate and it's a disaster, the demographic will change in the Congressional elections in 2 years and the pendulum will move toward the middle.

Imogen · Post by **Imogen** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:06 am

well said, habiba. i'm sick of being told i'm "un-patriotic" when i mention obama to certain people.

and does sarah palin even know what socialism REALLY is?? because we have a lot of socialist programs in this country. is she gonna get rid of them all? the call to socialism is just using buzzwords so uneducated people get scared. and it's sad that things like that work in this country.

and i had this pointed out to me recently: the neocons haven't created any major legislation concerning moral issues. the supreme court hasn't handed down any rulings completely banning abortion or gay marriage. so are the elected officials really doing what all the people who voted for them want? because i know the people i voted for aren't, and i voted to have them removed.

bismark · Post by **bismark** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:27 am

i definitely think one of obama's biggest gotchas was when he pointed out that abortion rates haven't dropped at all during the bush presidency.

361 · Post by **361** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:41 am

Imogen wrote:so are the elected officials really doing what all the people who voted for them want? because i know the people i voted for aren't, and i voted to have them removed.

They never do...

Everything pre-election is just to see who can BS better...

The winner gets to do whatever he/she wants in office.

Unit of Energy · Post by **Unit of Energy** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:50 am

361 wrote:
Imogen wrote:so are the elected officials really doing what all the people who voted for them want? because i know the people i voted for aren't, and i voted to have them removed.
They never do...

Everything pre-election is just to see who can BS better...

The winner gets to do whatever he/she wants in office.

But they should. And there are provisions to remove them early if they aren't. Granted its a time consuming and tedious process but it is there.