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The September Six. Read up. Exactly 20 years ago now. (I have a half-written short story about it that I really ought to polish and submit.) Pretty dark time, in my opinion. A lot has changed in twenty years, considering that there are men and women agitating for greater changes, and they're not automatically ousted.SmurfBlueSnuggie wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/us/a- ... .html?_r=0
What excommunication of feminists is referenced in this? Also, it's an interesting article. And I like how it's pretty neutral and presents a variety of opinions about how women are treated and viewed in the church.
No, not as far as I can tell. There was a writer and a lawyer in there.SmurfBlueSnuggie wrote:Follow-up question. I know Gilaedi and Quinn were professors at BYU. I'm pretty sure I remember hearing all of the six were. Am I correct?
An unusual reason for Mormons, specifically? (I think it's a pretty common reason, over the general course of Christianity.)Whistler wrote:I read an article in Sunstone written by one of the Sept. Six and she recounted how she taught in a fireside that Heavenly Mother and the Holy Ghost are the same person. I still kind of wonder why exactly they were excommunicated, and heresy seems like a really unusual reason to be excommunicated.
yes, for Mormons. I know plenty of people who have weird not-technically-doctrine beliefs but they don't seem to get called out on it (not that I want that to start). It seems like most people get excommunicated for breaking a law or something, although I admittedly have very little real data on the subject.Katya wrote:An unusual reason for Mormons, specifically? (I think it's a pretty common reason, over the general course of Christianity.)Whistler wrote:I read an article in Sunstone written by one of the Sept. Six and she recounted how she taught in a fireside that Heavenly Mother and the Holy Ghost are the same person. I still kind of wonder why exactly they were excommunicated, and heresy seems like a really unusual reason to be excommunicated.
I think there's a big difference in scope between people who have private weird pseudo-doctrinal beliefs and people who use a public form to preach beliefs that not only aren't orthodox doctrine, but are considered highly dangerous or harmful to the Church. Which is not to say that I'm happy with how the September Six were treated, but in the case of Janice Allred, I understand the difference in degree. (Denver Snuffer is another, much more recent example of someone being exed for heresy.)Whistler wrote:yes, for Mormons. I know plenty of people who have weird not-technically-doctrine beliefs but they don't seem to get called out on it (not that I want that to start). It seems like most people get excommunicated for breaking a law or something, although I admittedly have very little real data on the subject.Katya wrote:An unusual reason for Mormons, specifically? (I think it's a pretty common reason, over the general course of Christianity.)Whistler wrote:I read an article in Sunstone written by one of the Sept. Six and she recounted how she taught in a fireside that Heavenly Mother and the Holy Ghost are the same person. I still kind of wonder why exactly they were excommunicated, and heresy seems like a really unusual reason to be excommunicated.
Thanks for sharing this. Although my state mandates abstinence only sex ed, I occasionally slip in comments about the importance of condoms. I'm realizing that it's not enough, though -- they know that condoms exist, but they don't know about proper usage, limitations, what to do if they fail, etc. And they sure don't have good enough reading comprehension to get all of that from the package inserts.Portia wrote:I enjoyed this research article on 11- to 14-year-olds' perception of sex.
Yeah, Utah makes getting emergency contraception difficult.Emiliana wrote:Thanks for sharing this. Although my state mandates abstinence only sex ed, I occasionally slip in comments about the importance of condoms. I'm realizing that it's not enough, though -- they know that condoms exist, but they don't know about proper usage, limitations, what to do if they fail, etc. And they sure don't have good enough reading comprehension to get all of that from the package inserts.Portia wrote:I enjoyed this research article on 11- to 14-year-olds' perception of sex.
Ugh, people WILL insist on conflating emergency contraception with the abortion pill. It's not abortion. Emergency contraception stops ovulation, just exactly the same way that birth control pills do. There is no evidence that it can even stop implantation of a fertilized egg, much less cause a fertilized egg to detach from the placenta (which is what the actual abortion pill does).Portia wrote:Yeah, Utah makes getting emergency contraception difficult.Emiliana wrote:Thanks for sharing this. Although my state mandates abstinence only sex ed, I occasionally slip in comments about the importance of condoms. I'm realizing that it's not enough, though -- they know that condoms exist, but they don't know about proper usage, limitations, what to do if they fail, etc. And they sure don't have good enough reading comprehension to get all of that from the package inserts.Portia wrote:I enjoyed this research article on 11- to 14-year-olds' perception of sex.
I don't know who will give my thirteen year old sister the talk, and when. Not her private school ...
Cecil Adams wrote:British neuroscientists Brian Butterworth and Joey Tang point to the case of Alan, who has English parents but was raised in Japan. Alan is severely dyslexic in English but has no problems reading Japanese.
I saw that one on the big screen!mic0 wrote:I watched Mobsters and Mormons with a bunch of not-even-religious friends last night. It was pretty fun.