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Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:56 am
by Portia
OptimusPrime wrote:Portia wrote:My most prominent merger is feeling/filling which I really have to enunciate to distinguish.
This reminds me of a funny story. I live in Texas (and grew up in Virginia) where there is a definite difference between fill and feel. At one of our stake conferences not too long ago, we had the local temple president and his wife speak to us, and they were obviously from Utah. The sweet wife talked about temple attendance and made a major point of her talk the fact that "when you fill the temple, you feel the temple" (saying both words the same) then took the time to explain that she meant two different things by those two words. It was obvious she thought her wordplay was very clever. I thought it was hilarious, but I'm sure many others were confused as to why she didn't just say "feel".
Classic.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:59 pm
by Whistler
a similar thing happened in a talk about a "trail" being a "trial." *eyeroll
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:22 pm
by Giovanni Schwartz
There is a family friend whose accent includes "foul", "dowel", and I assume owl, Cowell, being said file, dial, etc.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:56 am
by Katya
OptimusPrime wrote:Portia wrote:My most prominent merger is feeling/filling which I really have to enunciate to distinguish.
This reminds me of a funny story. I live in Texas (and grew up in Virginia) where there is a definite difference between fill and feel. At one of our stake conferences not too long ago, we had the local temple president and his wife speak to us, and they were obviously from Utah. The sweet wife talked about temple attendance and made a major point of her talk the fact that "when you fill the temple, you feel the temple" (saying both words the same) then took the time to explain that she meant two different things by those two words. It was obvious she thought her wordplay was very clever. I thought it was hilarious, but I'm sure many others were confused as to why she didn't just say "feel".
Also did we (I) scare Yog in Neverland away? Come back, Yog!
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:11 am
by Zedability
I don't think Yog spends a ton of time on this forum
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:25 pm
by Genuine Article
My sister had a classmate who pronounced egg "eg" (with the vowel sounding like the e in men), as opposed to "aig" (like the a in made), which really unnerved me for some reason.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:55 pm
by krebscout
Genuine Article wrote:My sister had a classmate who pronounced egg "eg" (with the vowel sounding like the e in men), as opposed to "aig" (like the a in made), which really unnerved me for some reason.
...how have we been friends for years, lived together, driven from LA to Mesa and back together, and never noticed that we have this irreconcilable difference? Or am I reading this wrong? You really think it's supposed to be "aig?"
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:58 pm
by Marduk
Genuine Article wrote:My sister had a classmate who pronounced egg "eg" (with the vowel sounding like the e in men), as opposed to "aig" (like the a in made), which really unnerved me for some reason.
Um, yeah.... You had to go as far as a sister's classmate? As in, not everyone you know with few exceptions?
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:19 pm
by Portia
I pronounce it "aig" and had understood that as a marker of Western American English.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:51 pm
by Genuine Article
krebscout wrote:Genuine Article wrote:My sister had a classmate who pronounced egg "eg" (with the vowel sounding like the e in men), as opposed to "aig" (like the a in made), which really unnerved me for some reason.
...how have we been friends for years, lived together, driven from LA to Mesa and back together, and never noticed that we have this irreconcilable difference? Or am I reading this wrong? You really think it's supposed to be "aig?"
I
know it's supposed to be pronounced "aig," and now that I think about it I am a bit surprised it's never come up before, because we talked about eggs once when you did that painting I like. Listen to this English pronunciation thingus saying egg here:
http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=egg&submit=Submit
The more you listen to it the less it sounds like a word, but this is how I pronounce it, and leg and peg as well.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:13 pm
by Defy V
Huh. The way that thingus pronounced it is the way I pronounce it, but to me that sounds like the 'e' as in "men," or maybe halfway between 'ai' and 'eh'.
I had never considered it a mark of Western American English to pronounce it 'aig' with a strong 'ai' sound.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:41 pm
by Giovanni Schwartz
eheig (kind of a diphthong of both), leig, and pehg.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:19 pm
by Genuine Article
Marduk wrote:Genuine Article wrote:My sister had a classmate who pronounced egg "eg" (with the vowel sounding like the e in men), as opposed to "aig" (like the a in made), which really unnerved me for some reason.
Um, yeah.... You had to go as far as a sister's classmate? As in, not everyone you know with few exceptions?
I just wanted to join the conversation, is that so wrong Marduk?!
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:00 pm
by Cindy
Giovanni Schwartz wrote:eheig (kind of a diphthong of both), leig, and pehg.
Hey, I never noticed before that I don't pronounce "leg" and"peg" with the same vowel. There's a dipthong in "leg," but not in "peg." That's curious. And my pronunciation of "egg" is much closer to my pronunciation of "leg."
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:49 pm
by Unit of Energy
Egg, leg, peg all have the same vowel when I pronounce them. My linguistics major former roommate is free to step out of the shadows and correct me on this if she has noticed a difference.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:09 am
by Marduk
It is certainly a peeve of mine. I don't know anyone immediately who pronounces it as though it were spelled entirely differently.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:49 am
by Digit
I pronounce it just like the guy on
Howjsay, the talking dictionary.
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:44 pm
by Portia
Cindy wrote:Giovanni Schwartz wrote:eheig (kind of a diphthong of both), leig, and pehg.
Hey, I never noticed before that I don't pronounce "leg" and"peg" with the same vowel. There's a dipthong in "leg," but not in "peg." That's curious. And my pronunciation of "egg" is much closer to my pronunciation of "leg."
Talk about a pirate out loud: "ARRRR matey thar be a peg leg." Definitely not paig laig, but peg laig. (Nor is it peg leg.)
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:10 pm
by Katya
Cindy wrote:Giovanni Schwartz wrote:eheig (kind of a diphthong of both), leig, and pehg.
Hey, I never noticed before that I don't pronounce "leg" and"peg" with the same vowel. There's a dipthong in "leg," but not in "peg." That's curious. And my pronunciation of "egg" is much closer to my pronunciation of "leg."
<Spock>Fascinating.</Spock>
What about the vowel in "beg"? "Keg"? "Meg"?
Re: Linguistic patterns in Utah (question #68779)
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:24 pm
by Genuine Article
They all have the same vowel sound to me. Egg, leg, keg, beg, Meg, Craig, Greg. Peg I pronounce differently depending on whether I'm using it as a noun or a verb, but I have no idea why that is.