If I was 19 again (that's important) and didn't get along with the roommate, I would just let out my inner sociopath by inviting people over without notice. You know, to see what would happen.
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I was in a sorority (....yes that kind) and I lived in a sorority house. We did NOT walk around naked. There was one girl who walked naked from the showers to her room and no one liked her. The naked-walking was not the reason no one liked her. She was just really awful to everyone and I think the naked-walking was just a manifestation of how little she cared for everyone. IDK why she didn't quit.
There was a recent question where a girl was uncomfortable with her roommate wearing low cut tank tops around the house when her boyfriend was there. I'm guessing the naked question was directed at Luciana because of her response to the tank top question.
I'm not sure if it was the same question asker because the nyms were not the same. Maybe an editor would know.
To me it seemed like an over-the-top follow-up question. A plunging neckline may indeed be out of place in certain situations (I have to admit that going completely braless where someone whom you're not sexually involved with could see still strikes me as socially odd, but I have relatively large breasts), but it's not being naked.
For men, compare it to a guy who's perpetually shirtless to actual nakedness. yeah, no.
That's....pretty messed up, in a lot of different ways. I love how the question-asker totally implied that her boyfriend was uncomfortable too. I'm sure she didn't even ask him whether or not he cared.
I really hate when women police other women's bodies "for the sake of the men." Like, if you want to be judgmental about something another woman is wearing, that's your business, not mine. Don't involve me in it.
Marduk wrote:I really hate when women police other women's bodies "for the sake of the men."
I do find this to be a squicky reason for school dress codes.
I wonder how such folks would have survived the late 18th century? Cleavage seems to be such a cultural notion rather than anything inherently taboo. (Genitals I think there's a different argument, and I'd be weirded out if I had to encounter them without warning.)
A few weeks ago we had people over for Sunday dinner and, toward the end of the meal, I changed into a tank top, pushed both my bra straps and the tank top straps off my shoulders, and sat around in this precarious position for the rest of the night. Everyone there was either related to me or into women.
However, a) it's my house, b) I had a HORRIBLE sunburn that was being irritated by the bra straps and that I needed uncovered to apply aloe to, and c) it's my house.
However, d), I'm no longer Mormon and neither was anyone there so YMMV.
The Epistler was quite honestly knocked on her ethereal behind by the sheer logic of this.
yayfulness wrote:I just... really wonder how some people will be capable of functioning outside of BYU. Even in Utah.
Unfortunately some are not very capable. I grew up in Utah county and there were definitely people in my ward... Even my very Mormon parents understood that different things are important to different people and even with shared religion not all values are the same and that's OK.
Marduk wrote:That's....pretty messed up, in a lot of different ways. I love how the question-asker totally implied that her boyfriend was uncomfortable too. I'm sure she didn't even ask him whether or not he cared.
I really hate when women police other women's bodies "for the sake of the men." Like, if you want to be judgmental about something another woman is wearing, that's your business, not mine. Don't involve me in it.
It reminds me of these girls I lived with in college. They were always majorly insecure with their relationships and jealous of other women. It didn't matter the woman's lack of intention or interest in their man. If they looked like a threat, they were a threat. When I read the question for the first time it made me wonder if the question-asker is just projecting her feelings of discomfort on the boyfriend in hopes that he was uncomfortable rather than interested in the "display."
That sort of judgement just strikes me as insecurity and makes me feel sad
yayfulness wrote:I just... really wonder how some people will be capable of functioning outside of BYU. Even in Utah.
Unfortunately some are not very capable. I grew up in Utah county and there were definitely people in my ward... Even my very Mormon parents understood that different things are important to different people and even with shared religion not all values are the same and that's OK.
This is why I find it so difficult to read the board these days (and Kudos to Katya for walking that line and doing a little bit of much-needed chewing out while still being board appropriate.) My only response to that fellow would be "mind your own business, women actually don't exist solely for your pleasure. No state of someone else's clothing is your business, unless they are having some sort of obvious wardrobe malfunction unintentionally."
Well I feel silly. I guess I should look at the date before commenting (I assumed Katya's presence had something to do with a board reunion or some such.)
Marduk wrote:Well I feel silly. I guess I should look at the date before commenting (I assumed Katya's presence had something to do with a board reunion or some such.)
Marduk wrote:Well I feel silly. I guess I should look at the date before commenting (I assumed Katya's presence had something to do with a board reunion or some such.)
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