The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Don't have 100 hours, or answered your question yourself? Ask for help and post your answers here!
Post Reply
NerdGirl
President of the Lutheran Sisterhood Gun Club
Posts: 1810
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:41 am
Location: Calgary

The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by NerdGirl »

...with my thesis advisor. I will probably ask several questions here over the next few months. Today's question is which of the following is correct?

1. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list".
2. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list."
C is for
um Administrator
Posts: 2058
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:43 pm

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by C is for »

It's begun to make a lot more sense to me to put the punctuation outside the quotation marks, but that's not what I learned in school. I have to consciously put the punctuation inside the quotation marks now, because I think that's what's correct. Unfortunately.
User avatar
Dragon Lady
Posts: 2332
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:07 pm
Location: Riverton, UT

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by Dragon Lady »

The Heartless Siren (Board proofreader who doesn't read the boardboard) would tell you #2. I sometimes agree with her, but I think #1 can have its moments of appropriateness. Esp. if it's a question mark or exclamation point that is applicable to the sentence at large, but not what's in the quote. For example: Did he really just say, "I love her"? If you put the question mark inside the quotes, he's now not sure that he loves her. Which definitely changes the meaning.
wired
Posts: 483
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:30 am

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by wired »

Yeah, this is where grammar/punctuation thugs annoy me. The "correct" answer is that it should go inside the quotation marks, but the reality is that punctuation is a manmade construct that can be modified through popular usage in particular ways. Consequently, if it makes more sense to go outside of the quotation marks, we really ought not think we're constrained by "the rules." (Note that there, I didn't think putting the period inside of the quotation mark would cause any undue confusion and wasn't part of an actual quotation, rather a qualification.)
NerdGirl
President of the Lutheran Sisterhood Gun Club
Posts: 1810
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:41 am
Location: Calgary

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by NerdGirl »

See, what I remember learning in school is that if the stuff inside the quotation marks is a complete sentence, then the period goes inside. If not, it goes outside. If I ever find my Strunk and White book, I'll see if that has anything to say about it.
User avatar
Unit of Energy
Title Bar Moderator
Posts: 1233
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:35 pm
Location: Planet Earth...I think.
Contact:

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by Unit of Energy »

Commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks, unless followed by a parenthetical reference. Question marks, exclamation points and dashes go outside quotation marks only if they do not apply to the quotation.
thebigcheese
Someone's Favorite
Posts: 998
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:08 am
Location: Provo, UT

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by thebigcheese »

Has anyone else had enough of these so-called "grammar rules"? I think we should all say, "Screw it!"

;)
Katya
Board Board Patron Saint
Posts: 4631
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:40 am
Location: Utah

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by Katya »

NerdGirl wrote:...with my thesis advisor. I will probably ask several questions here over the next few months. Today's question is which of the following is correct?

1. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list".
2. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list."
British conventions say #1. American conventions say #2. According to Wikipedia, Canada sides with the US on this one, but I'd pull out the appropriate style guide for your field and region, just to be sure. (For what it's worth, the American argument is that the comma outside the quotes is ugly, and the British argument is that the comma inside the quotes is illogical.)
Last edited by Katya on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
TheAnswerIs42
Posts: 962
Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:13 pm
Location: Pleasant Grove, Utah

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by TheAnswerIs42 »

See, and I wouldn't even blink about that. I see no logic in #2. I love what thebigcheese did - to me, those are two good examples of when it should be outside and when it should be inside. Things go inside if they are part of the quote, outside if they are not.
User avatar
Marduk
Most Attractive Mod
Posts: 2995
Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:15 pm
Location: Orem, UT
Contact:

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by Marduk »

thebigcheese wrote:Has anyone else had enough of these so-called "grammar rules"? I think we should all say, "Screw it!"

;)
Wait, should we all say, "Screw it!"?

Or should we all say, "Screw it"!
Deus ab veritas
krebscout
Posts: 1054
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:17 pm
Contact:

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by krebscout »

I just wanted to point out that I appreciate how this board is a great go-to place for questions like these. It's like the Board, but much faster.
User avatar
Dead Cat
Completed
Posts: 1279
Joined: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:05 pm
Location: Provo

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by Dead Cat »

krebscout wrote:I just wanted to point out that I appreciate how this board is a great go-to place for questions like these. It's like the Board, but much faster.
Maybe we should rename it "The Less than 100 Hour Board."
"If you don't put enough commas in, you won't know where to breathe and will die of asphyxiation"

--Jasper Fforde
thebigcheese
Someone's Favorite
Posts: 998
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:08 am
Location: Provo, UT

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by thebigcheese »

Haha! Great idea.
User avatar
Whistler
Posts: 2221
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:17 pm
Contact:

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by Whistler »

Katya wrote:
NerdGirl wrote:...with my thesis advisor. I will probably ask several questions here over the next few months. Today's question is which of the following is correct?

1. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list".
2. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list."
American conventions say #1. British conventions say #2. According to Wikipedia, Canada sides with the US on this one, but I'd pull out the appropriate style guide for your field and region, just to be sure. (For what it's worth, the American argument is that the comma outside the quotes is ugly, and the British argument is that the comma inside the quotes is illogical.)
wait... don't you mean american conventions favor #2?
Katya
Board Board Patron Saint
Posts: 4631
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:40 am
Location: Utah

Re: The ongoing war over the use of the English language...

Post by Katya »

Whistler wrote:
Katya wrote:
NerdGirl wrote:...with my thesis advisor. I will probably ask several questions here over the next few months. Today's question is which of the following is correct?

1. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list".
2. Dude published a list that he called "my awesome list."
American conventions say #1. British conventions say #2. According to Wikipedia, Canada sides with the US on this one, but I'd pull out the appropriate style guide for your field and region, just to be sure. (For what it's worth, the American argument is that the comma outside the quotes is ugly, and the British argument is that the comma inside the quotes is illogical.)
wait... don't you mean american conventions favor #2?
My bad. Fixed.
Post Reply